Traditional conservatives and other resource hoarding men are selfish and anti-male


A riff from watching a video by Analyzing Male Slavery, most but not all of the core ideas are from here
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvjETGrBnDEQycJcdDwfG4A)

Traditionalism for the self and not the many

Right-wing and traditionally conservative men like “ Stardusk ” and “ Turd Flinging Monkey ” nowadays only join the army, work in public service, or join traditional work spaces to gain resources, women, and benefit the self. Has nothing to do with helping other workers, patriotism or politics, or bettering society. Many left wing and right wing men only use politics for social networking or for the purposes of gaining status. Right-wingers chastise leftists for “virtue signaling” in the political space, but at least standing for something like universal health care is a signal to people other than women.

The “I am going to work to provide for my woman” antisociability destroys the workplace and makes it miserable for everyone. I have had to work with men who only work for women, and it is unbearable. Once a task has to get done, they focus only on their individual quota and do a minimal amount of work for a paycheck to bribe a woman with. Every prominent manospherian is guilty of this. They describe having served in public service, but they talk about it only in personal terms and for mate guarding. Their ideology is purely selfish, it serves no purpose other than to defend past and future selfishness and male resource hoarding.

The nuclear family is only an extension of tournament mating, not anything societal

And these youtubers will defend the nuclear family to no end. The nuclear family is only feel-good because of stories of a time long-gone, in our current society the nuclear family is sociopathic. Every family exists separate from one another in competition with one another. When society is in crisis, the last thing people should do is isolate into family units.

To most manospherians, and actually most ideological monogamists, monogamous marriage is a “righteous” epitome of antisociability. Raised by a popular culture of pick-up-artistry, and other selfishly minded people who fed them medieval fairy tales of romance, they want to “conquer” women, and see themselvs as a sexually successful versoin of themselves as “kings” of a society they hate. Not as a fellow man, but as a king. They frame sexual success as domination over other men. These types of people should be banished from pro-male spaces.

This makes absolutely no sense. Sex should only be for recreation in times of political upheaval or moral decay. People have no purpose reproducing when future generations will suffer without societal change.

Having a stay-at-home-wife is anti-male in our current society
These state they are pro-male by advocating for stay-at-home wives. This is ridiculous. Men should not accept stay at home wives if women refuse to accept stay at home husbands societally. Anything else is gynocentric garbage

Turd Flinging Monkey is teaching millions of men who watch his videos to live like him. He has made it clear he has no intention on giving to society. His entire channel is about removing himself from society as a whole and engaging in total degeneracy while pretending to be anti-degeneracy. TFM sells sex toys on his channel.

Delusions of enforcing monogamy individually

In a long and boring recent discussion on Youtube, the Youtuber Stardusk makes it clear he thinks he can preserve monogamy in his own household without contributing to any social movement, even a tradcon one. Pointless and ineffective. It won’t work.

The delusion of thinking being a provider means being pro-male

He thinks providing for women means he is “in charge”. Stardusk’s wife just joined the church to find some delusional tradcon sucker. Being a male in a monogamous tradcon relationship is being a slave. Stardusk thinks it makes him a platonic ideal of a patriarch. XD

Tradcons co-opt religion for purely selfish reasons
On Religion, these new MGTOW, redpill, ■■■■■■■■■, and manospherian men have no true belief in religion. There is no reason behind his tradcon religiousity besides status and resources, gaining a wife, and mateguarding. Which would be normal enough, even I have considered such a thing, but Stardusk claims he is in it for more. Which he is not.

These state they are pro-male by advocating for stay-at-home wives. This is ridiculous. Men should not accept stay at home wives if women refuse to accept stay at home husbands societally. Anything else is gynocentric garbage

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ugh, this guy again?
I find his ramblings overly self-congratulatory, and academic without having any practical application besides hatred of others.
I also find it dumb that he never challenges thought or asks others to challenge him, he just complains.
“everyone else is the problem” yeah, okay.

1:20 [women and men just use each other and neither is better than the other] if literally everyone acts the same way, then why is he so troubled by it?
you see what you want/choose to in this world.

“if you look for the light you can often find it, but if you look for darkness, that is all you will ever see” - Iroh

I think his main positive-political stance is a UBI, which I would not argue for. I would argue for a targeted BI at the poor. A UBI would not work for many reasons imo.

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They want the middle class vote, most middle class will only vote for a UBI, so politicians can’t declare a basic income for the poor, if they did people would start hating on poor people even more than they do now. Half of the country are also bigots that hate on bi people, so using the word BI might also reduce votes.

Also, giving poor a BI might increase taxes for the middle class, the idea of UBI is to give middle class their fair money, since 10% of the country owns 90% of the wealth, UBI seeks to give some of that wealth to the poor and middle class, rather than redistribute it from middle class to poor.

it would yea

A negative income tax not designed to replace medicare would be fine too. IE middle class gets less than the poor. The reason for the NIT vs. the UBI being that a UBI would just cause a one-off inflation, a NIT allows more space for a tax to offset the inflation.

imho

I agree that TFM is a trad con in many ways, but not Stardusk (aka Thinking-Ape). Despite my criticisms of TFM, I don’t see a problem with him selling sex toys. Maybe a bit hypocritical if he truly is trad con.

I also agree that the manosphere has a right-wing bias. That’s why I stopped watching Honey Badger Radio.

I recently posted Colttaine’s Matrix video which has some good critiques of the manosphere. He has another video which offers some of the same criticisms of this post:

gigabased but also, women are lower-t and thus naturally work less. Although work is slavery and thus anti-male.